eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), If other fandoms are able to trend Mamamoo/Hwasa hate comments, it will distract from the messes that other fandoms are currently dealing with. Everyone is welcome, fans and non-fans. Non fans for all the questions, suggestions, reviews, anything. Joined: May 2022. I dont know how familiar you are with vixx, but N is constantly put down by hisfriends about his appearance (specifically his skin color) and one of the things Kangin criticised him for was his self confidence, which honestly, was really, really rude and definitely uncalled for. Recently the show aired a special live on the YouTube channel of I Live Alone. For the segment, the three followed outfits . Feels bad yo. }); } Only four hours after the incident occurred, both Mamamoo and their company RBW wrote out an apology in both Korean and English and posted it online. After Wendys tragic and heartbreaking fall, immediately there were dozens upon dozens of tweets wishing Hwasa could take her place and become horribly injured. its good(, When asked who their ideal types would be if the other members were girls, Chen chose Luhan and Chanyeol chose D.O and Lay then took the microphone to clarify that they were not gay by saying, A similar incident occurred at a concert(?) Hwasa, while covering the track, read the lyrics as is, leading to the gaffe. eventAction: 'load' Another chose to call out an even older incident, one in which Hwasa used the n-word while covering a Beyonc song. That doesnt make it okay and it doesnt mean it cant be just as harmful, but considering they are nearly always the victims of such colorist comments, it is somewhat different to when they come from somebody else who is unaffected by them. To be honest, I wish Id made the suju post more like the exo one, because the exo one included a lot of the stuff people are criticising me for leaving out of this one. when Lay said, When asked about his ideal type, said that she, He and Chen chose Kai and Tao as the members they wouldnt want to date if they were girls, when Chen was explaining why, Xiumin interrupted him and saidThey both have a similarity, theyre both tanned (, Posted a photograph of him in a face mask on Weibo and captioned it, Apparently there were some old online comments from Baekhyuns cyworld account where he called girls at his High School sluts but I cant find any screenshots, Chanyeol and Baekhyun apparently admitted to teasing the Chinese members at first for their pronunciation/korean and acted somewhat cold towards them, though I cannot find a source for this, Many people have said Chanyeol said his ideal type would have white/pale skin but I cant find a source on that so Im not sure, Some people have told me that Kris is sexist/misogynistic but I cant find anything about this online, I also vaguely remember seeing a picture of exo which one of the members wrote comments on and there was something about Kais skin being dark but I cant remember who it was (possibly Kai himself?) Yet we wonder why idols have to constantly showcase an "image" in order to not upset fans. omg lol at everything written under heechul. window.googletag.pubads().addEventListener('slotOnload', function(event) { I actually really appreciate people messaging me about stuff and talking it through with me, especially because I actually really dislike conflict (makes me wonder why I started this blog really haha). Everyday there are tweets wishing for her to die, get beat up, fall out of planes, etc. So those are the most controversial things talked about that Mamamoo has done. This has taken me quite a while to write because its about 3 am and Im trying not to come across as rude or self-righteous, which I something I often do unintentionally, and Im really sorry its so long when you probably didnt even want a response in the first place. It hurts my heart to see people bash them like that, it really does. ", And if anybody wants to get brave about their past mistakes, heres a link with receipts and explanations. Refresh the page,. Its much appreciated :-), Im KOREAN TOO, and shes lying, i will post a video with the REAL ONE and gonna call you out too.-. RBW then said they would work to educate themselves more on cultural sensitivity and the struggles that the black community and various other POC communities have undergone and continue to go through. offensive/misogynistic comments to his Cyworld account, Kai was in charge of skin color in the group, my noona is a little on the tanned side, no wonder why you guys acted like you were so close with each other, I thought the lights were not entering over there, said that he has Kai saved as Blackie in his phone contacts, in a pre-debut video with a hard -er at the end, how can you say something that doesnt even make sense?, Chanyeol asked Kai if he wanted to lighten his skin, Dont misunderstand us. Hope that all made sense! ga('ads.send', { kpop groups; soloists; socials and info; Back; kpop groups. They make a difference. I did watch the video when it was up but it was a while ago and I dont remember exactly what he said. Have they done offensive and hurtful things in the past? "Hey remember dressing up in blackface with the rest of Mamamoo," read one tweet. Solar | Moonbyul | Wheein | Hwasa. If we reflect on our own selves, Im sure a lot of us have done some similar things that could be classified as questionable if we were always in the spotlight as idols too. Not speaking Korean and being confused about whats true and what isnt? not excusing it or defending, but Henry was a little boy from Canada, and that kind of fan service is really odd in general to the West, Id hardly call that problematic. A lot seem to be taken out of context and exaggerated. I'm gonna keep following them and follow my own judgement. I know Ive answered questions on things like racism, colorism, cultural appropriation, etc. okay so people seemed to find my exo masterpost pretty helpful and Im very aware that suju arent exactly the least offensive group around, so (since the YFIP one isnt very up-to-date) I thought Id make a super junior masterpost since Im a suju fan and I want to provide helpful resources for other fans. Some people are a bit skeptic of whether or not I actually like Super Junior, which I can understand, but I would like to clarify that I do. As the n-word is decidedly not of Asian-country origins it would make sense that she would not know the meaning of a English word that she is quickly seeing and then singing in a song, as it is a word which takes most, if not all, of its derogatory meaning from American context. They've made mistakes in the past, but they're learning and growing through their experiences. Mamamoo themselves wrote: We were extremely ignorant of blackface and did not understand the implications of our actions. Please feel free to contact me if you think Im missing anything! From my own judgement, the members seem like good, genuine people. Most of the controveries are from a while back (solar imitating her senior, the strawberry jam song). I didnt mean for this to spiral into an argument at all and I didnt post the post with malicious intent, though I know the intent doesnt matter all that much and that I did make mistakes. With the Henry thing, I also understand where youre coming from. In order to do that, I must describe the actions Mamamoo has done in the past that received the most vocal and widespread backlash, and then explain what happened as a result. (Also just a little side note, I know people arent aware and I havent specified it on this blog, but please dont refer to me with she/her pronouns! if he just said that he wasshocked because he thought they were gay/trans, then its iffy. pic.twitter.com/d4GXcv4AIt, As more fans attempted to clear the hashtag and ask for others to be kind and consider the mental health of idols like Hwasa, some couldn't help but laugh at the questions being asked. Im ironically bad at dealing with conflict, which might make some people question why I started this blog (it was actually an accident, long story), but Ive tried not to let it affect my running of this blog. In the age of the Internet, in the age where absolutely anything can be done online, your actions online matter. Joined: Sep 2021 #1. It took years to unlearn what was taught to me, become more informed, and develop my own beliefs. She embraces her skin and body, even though it doesn't fit neatly within traditional notions of what is considered 'ladylike' or 'beautiful' according to South Korean standards and prefers to pen songs about empowerment. Ive heard Moomoos are known as fairly passive, but its also why they are known as some of the most accepting and even better behaved fans. The whole thing was carelessly done and not very thorough. pg.acq.push(function() { Ive seen a lot of people (and even previously been them sometimes) throwing around the Siwon thing to say hes wildly homophobic, for example, when it turned out to be heavily unreliable and probably false. ; _____; aaaa. Her wig: Now I can understand how it can be seen as cultural appropriation. If you haven't, let me enlighten you. I also hear about a clown outfit she wore in one of their videos that people again try to say was blackface but how when she's naturally tan and didn't look any different than normal so I was like huh. (Photo : Mr. Kim) Apink Chorong was a school bully, New recordings and evidence Revealed [+1,956, -53] As expected, the entertainment industry is filled with kids with such dirty personalities~~~~~. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Fans welcome to spam photos, videos, gifs, to talk about Mamamoo, Solar, Moonbyul, Wheein, Hwasa updates, music, content or anything. yeah, suju has done problematic stuff and i agree, we shouldnt defend it or excuse it, its good to have that kind of discussion. So I decided to forgive them cause myself personally thinks that they tried to show love to Bruno Mars which is apparently one of their fav artist by doing a vcr of their songs but stupidity and very ignorantly decided to dark their skin to match his and his dancers. the Eunhyuk WGM thing being scripted). }) For a lot of other controversies in Korea (like addressing an older person informally), international fans may not understand those issues as well as Koreans and believe that it's no big deal. (I read your tags) I hope you dont mind me reblogging this, If you do please just tell me and Ill delete it. if you want to complain about me making this or ask me why i did, please read this first, honestly i will not respond to anyone who has not read this first. It's incredibly frustrating dealing with these kinds of people. ga('ads.send', { Thank you everybody for everything! One user shared, "HELP THE QUESTIONS FOR #AskHwasa I CANT," along with a screenshot of some of their favorites, another said, "THE TWEETS UNDER THIS HASHTAG ARE RUTHLESS AHAJAKXH," and one joked, "The gates of heaven are not opening for ANY of yall. During their concert on Friday in Seoul, Mamamoo released a. The photos are problematic as they were taken in 2008 when Chorong was in high school and underage at 17 years old. eventAction: 'click_adunit' my bias is varied between moonbyul and solar Hip is one of my most played songs ever You must log in or register to reply here. Everyone, dont think of dirty thoughts!, negative comment about Taos skin being dark, cant be too chubby/fat and must have a nice body, He has darker skin than me, doesnt he?, in general, youre skin looks better if you have a lighter skin tone. Also of note, Mamamoo participated in and won the 2019 Queendom, coming in first place against such idols as (G)I-DLE, AOA, Oh My Girl, Park Bom, and Lovelyz. 2) Its a good thing that people talk about suju being problematic? I will try to work on this in the future because I dont want to portray idols as villains when theyre not actually responsible for what has happened (e.g. 5) Again, I included the Kangin thing because I have seen a huge amount of fans get upset by it. I feel like stepping back will give me more time to learn and expand my horizons and less time to speak on topics I dont actually know much about. please read this first, honestly i will not respond to anyone who has not read this first. cc @sexeyXR @chsjason @Mata10. Someone might think its petty or ridiculous but theres no reason for people to put up with something offensive if they dont want to. Maybe you are just too sensitive?? The other day it was revealed that two major idols were dating, and before I had even seen the news article, I was in a Mamamoo fan group-chat, and someone sent out the link of the dating news with their comment under being, be on high alert for hwasas tags. Shaun of @shaun_vids on Twitter said recently in response to another girl's hate storm against her that mirrors the exact same patterns as Mamamoo's, If someone does something worthy of criticism, and that criticism is then directly delivered thousands of times by different people (a section of whom will go much too far and be genuinely abusive), it all just merges into abuse in the perception of the one being criticised.. Whew, Im sorry for the long post haha. Mamamoo is perhaps most widely-known for writing their own music, their electric stage presence, and constant ad-libs often thrown in to make each stage as unique as it can possibly be. People @Pr0blematicIdol follows or mentioned can reply Problematic Idols @Pr0blematicIdol Jan 3, 2021 Replying to @Pr0blematicIdol I encourage everybody to keep general discussion going, but for now, Im stepping out. | A Japanese Man Reacts to Duolingo Let's ask Shogo | Your. There are multiple reasons but a large one being Im just not educated enough. Kim Yong-sun (Korean: , born February 21, 1991), better known by the stage name Solar (Korean: ), is a South Korean singer, songwriter and actress signed under RBW.She is the leader and main vocalist of girl group Mamamoo and its sub-unit Mamamoo+. Posts: 337. hitType: 'event', okay so somebody sent me a link to the video (thank you btw!) ", Where did you get ur African auntie outfit from?? 6)not excusing it or defending it but [continues to make an excuse for Henry] Sorry, but yes, you are trying to make up excuses for him. I dont think people should defend what others do/say, regardless of how long ago it was, but I do think people should look at stuff in context and use a degree of common sense. But what appears to be the root of people's unforgiving nature where Hwasa is concerned is that despite past apologies and promises to do better, the idol has continued to make mistakes in the form of cultural appropriation. I feel like my SuJu MP wasnt anywhere near as thorough as the exo one because I have exams at the moment so I was unable to spend as much time on it, so Id really appreciate it if people sent me anything they think I missed. For those of you who might not know, Mamamoo is a four girl idol group who debuted under RBW (Rainbowbridge World) in June of 2014. Siwon seems like a genuinely nice guy, and its really unfortunate that people keep spreading the rumour that hes homophobic, and Im ashamed to be one of the people who contributed to this. She made her solo debut with the single "Spit It Out" on April 23, 2020.She released her first extended play : Face with its . Everyone is allowed to make mistakes and with those mistakes, come the opportunity to correct them. So i don't usually dig into controversies but I couldn't help bumping into a few recently regarding Mamamoo. She gets loads of comments drenched in colourism and misogyny about her genitals and looks its truly vomit worth. It's just crazy how haters can twist every single thing. Its quite a big responsibility looking after this blog and Im not sure my wellbeing can take that on top of my workload and personal problems. In 2017, Mamamoo created an ending concert video for moos (their fans), where they did a parody of Bruno Mars Uptown Funk. The post isnt supposed to be the be-all-and-end-all of offensive super junior. }); To discuss the bullying and harassment Mamamoo now receives daily, we must first lay out what originally brought out all the hate. Some of the stuff I included turned out to be something I misunderstood (for example, the gifset of Siwon) and with other things, I didnt include enough information or included misinformation. This page was loaded Sep 23rd 2021, 9:34 pm GMT. Hwasa trolled for past racism as #AskHwasa trends, Internet asks which ethnicity she will 'offend' next. actually dont feel like fighting that person on their response, so im just letting it go. Contents 1 History 1.1 Pre-debut 1.2 2014: Debut with Hello, and Piano Man 1.3 2015: Pink Funky 1.4 2016: Melting, MOOSICAL and Memory 1.5 2017: MOOSICAL Curtain Call and Purple On top of that, they bash the fans saying we overlook everything and that Mamamoo should have been cancelled by now. window.googletag.cmd.push(function() { Moomoos are also quite reserved and a bit more mature so whenever Mamamoo is criticized, you have a small group of people rationally trying to defend them. 1 2 3 4 5 Maria29 Kpop Rookie Member Joined Dec 6, 2022 Messages 38 Location Houston Tx Credits 141 Jan 25, 2023 #81 It then grew and grew until every day Mamamoo was receiving complaints about their dancing, calling their vocals fake, and most of all, attacking their looks and hygiene. but this stuff isnt discussed when it comes to suju - people take anything and make it problematic for members who havent done things like kangin, shindong, leeteuk, and yesung, and then just throw it around to defend their favorites. Yes, I should have checked the links. The K-POP idol's vocal talent is considered one of the best in the industry and yet, she continues to receive a great amount of . window.googletag.pubads().addEventListener('impressionViewable', function(event) { I think people need to realize that Asia is still inside a bit of a bubble when it comes to what is appropriate regarding race and cultures. The word Hwasa has become a synonym for trash in the eyes of many K-pop fans, which in turn leads to them believing it is acceptable to beat her down as a defection of their own kpop favs. Mamamoo has been dubbed by a lot, especially by antis as one of the most controversial groups in the history of kpop. Red Velvet too. Now you may be wondering, this dating news had absolutely nothing to do with Mamamoo, why were Moos suddenly preparing for a new war against Hwasa hate comments? It is common in America to wear red puffy wigs as the stereotype of a clown, however it is not as common in South Korea, which is why Hwasa wore braids as the hair to her outfit. But she probably could not have predicted that an #AskHwasa hashtag could have drawn out some of the worst Twitter drags in recent times. So girls have to be skinny and boys can be Taken aback by their remarks, Shindong quickly explained, Im just saying. eventAction: 'click_image_ads' I wholeheartedly accept that I messed up on this and Im really sorry, because I feel like I sort of have a responsibility not to spread misinformation and thats exactly what I did. People are accusing me of purposefully portraying all the members on the list as villains and not including their apologies. You can decide to remove them from your lives, not support them, not give them any attention, money or time, but death threats? However, this became a lot more unlikely when a second video was released, titled censored version, which did not include the supposed autism comment. They wont know the nuances of why what they did is offensive to us and thats why we tell them. A large section of the hate she receives is linked to the idol rarely conforming to what is typically expected of women in K-pop, particularly ones in girl groups. And it appears they still hold her accountable for it, largely owing to past instances of appropriation, such as wearing a durag. Thank you very much for the information!! I always try to reblog posts made by the people who are affected and include links in my responses but I havent been so good at keeping my mouth shut when it doesnt involve me, which is something I am going to change in myself. Idols lives are super scrutinized, and I think many people just forget that idols are real people too. window.adsContainer = {"positionAfterTitle":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle5_Rel_Newrev","isOrganicUserAd":true,"max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position2":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_After_Title_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position3":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Below_Next_Rel_Newrev","max_width":300,"max_height":250},"position4":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle_Rel_Newrev","max_width":300,"max_height":250},"position5":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle1_Rel_Newrev","max_width":300,"max_height":250},"position6":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle2_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position7":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle3_Rel_Newrev","max_width":300,"max_height":250},"position8":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle4_Rel_Newrev","max_width":300,"max_height":250},"position9":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle5_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position10":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle6_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position11":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle7_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position12":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle8_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position13":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle9_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position14":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle10_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position15":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle11_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"position16":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_Middle12_Rel_Newrev","max_width":336,"max_height":280},"positionTop":{"code":"Article_Desktop_970x250_Header_Rel","isOrganicUserAd":false,"max_width":970,"max_height":250},"positionBottom":{"code":"Article_Desktop_Sidebar_Bottom_Rel_Newrev","isOrganicUserAd":true,"max_width":300,"max_height":600},"positionBottomRight":{"code":"Article_Desktop_300x250_After_Title_Rel_Newrev","isOrganicUserAd":true,"max_width":336,"max_height":280}} MEAWW is an initialism for Media Entertainment Arts WorldWide. So trend they did. We hope that you will help to educate us on these and other issues so that we can become better people and better artists.. document.querySelector("#google_image_div").addEventListener('click',function(){ My mom would like to know #AskHwasa, is mama africa a good name for you? Threads: 0. If you would not be able to handle it being done to you, dont do it to others, no matter how big or famous those other people are. [3] Another thing is my mental health. I hear people say that she added it in to a song that didn't have it on purpose but that version is on Melon. If you think ive missed anything please send me a message but dont forget to try to include a source! 21 Feb 2023, 07:29 PM. Above all, however, Mamamoo is a power-vocal group and strongly celebrated for it, even winning Favorite Vocal Artist at both the 2018 and 2019 MAMAs. Its kinda iffy, and as a trans & queer person it definitely rubs me the wrong way :-//. Mamamoo isn't even the first K-Pop group or artist to don blackface in 2012, Big Bang's G-Dragon (who have been called the "biggest band in Asia") posted a horrific photo that many believed was. They apologized. Thank you~). Theres no point calling people too sensitive, especially when the stuff pointed out causes many problems, for fans and also the members themselves (for example, Kai has shown numerous times that he is upset by/fed up with the comments on his skin). Daily persecution? While MBC later clarified that the outfit was meant to be a glamorized version of the sauna outfits worn by South Koreans, particularly a style that Hwasa herself has worn before, many thought the outfit was far more similar to an African one than a Korean sauna look. Goodbye! I found out that they did blackface which is disgusting and heartbreaking cause I really liked them so I stewed on it for a few days and looked again and found that they had apologised that same day 2x and that they also apologised in person the next day concert. They are not exactly multicultural societies vs. north america. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. We have, arguably, a smaller fan base in a way - at least internationally - so its a little easier to see those hate thorns in-between the roses. Kpop music (as all music) is rightfully and obviously for everyone but i'm kinda surprised how big of a lesbian following kpop groups like mamamoo and dreamcatcher have and to some extent TXT, with other groups it doesnt seem to be that way. #AskHwasa pic.twitter.com/h0oPUHVyku, Some, naturally, came to Hwasa's defense, pointing out that her, the rest of Mamamoo, as well as their label Rainbowbridge World (RBW), have all apologized or at the very least provided an explanation for their actions in the past. Yeah, the first thing international fans do is hear that Mamamoo is bad and that they shouldn't like them, and then they jump in on the hate without doing their own research. My mom would like to know" while another asked, "Is mama Africa a good name for you? Mamamoo is not the most problematic group ever I'm a fairly new Mamamoo fan and I was hearing a lot about them being super problematic towards black people (so being black) I decided to some research to find out. Everyone seems to think that the world revolves around them. In fact, I really like them. ), http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/117874134598/hi-i-just-wanted-to-comment-on-your-tag-about, http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/117835308868/ayabewakasa-one-unsubstantiated-article-that, http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/118060768918/about-the-issue-of-siwon-saying-no-to-the-fanboy, http://ourbridgeisforever.tumblr.com/post/119551166438/baekbitchyeol-catchmeinthedrift. eventCategory: event.slot.getSlotElementId(), I didnt really spend a huge amount of time on that Super Junior post and I didnt properly think about the way I was phrasing things, or the information I was including. It would be easy to point to other fandoms and how they have been problematic at times but that's not helpful and just continues a cycle of hate. True, the haters just don't know them so they judge easily. },false) When asked about it, she replied that it was an homage to Rihanna, who wore something similar in a performance, as RIhanna is one of the people she looks up to the most. Its not good when people exaggerate stuff (like they did with Siwon) but its good to keep discussions going on offensive things in kpop, 3) Thank you for the fanaccounts/links about the Siwon thing (Ill add them to the list), thats the kind of thing I appreciate being told because I am not omniscient and I dont know everything (Also I think I already had one of those on there?). I was enjoying binging 4 years worth of missed content from them but I guess it's inevitable that I stumbled on . eventAction: 'click_ads' Because of MISTAKES. Yes, I should have included things such as dates. 1,068. Joined: Mar 2022 #5. 9 Months of Service. Yes, we're all people, but idols are scrutinized for their every word and action, even much more so than non-celebrities). I do understand that some things which look like reaches to other people arent always reaches though. The group officially debuted with their single "Mr. Ambiguous" on June 18, 2014.

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